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	<title>Comments on: Common misconceptions about Comic Market</title>
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	<description>Zepy Anime Eroge Doujin Games</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mahouneko</title>
		<link>http://zepy.momotato.com/2008/06/01/common-misconceptions-regarding-comic-market/#comment-58868</link>
		<dc:creator>mahouneko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the doujin circles at Comiket:
The way to look at Comiket is to look at it as a sort of E3.  Those doujins will still be published and sold in stores within Akihabara post-Comiket so the way I see Comiket is that it is essentially a huge form of advertising for the various circles that participate.

By participating in Comiket, a circle makes itself known to the rest of the community, especially what its current line-up is.  Whether the circle eventually becomes popular or not would depend entirely on how well it was able to reach out to the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the doujin circles at Comiket:<br />
The way to look at Comiket is to look at it as a sort of E3.  Those doujins will still be published and sold in stores within Akihabara post-Comiket so the way I see Comiket is that it is essentially a huge form of advertising for the various circles that participate.</p>
<p>By participating in Comiket, a circle makes itself known to the rest of the community, especially what its current line-up is.  Whether the circle eventually becomes popular or not would depend entirely on how well it was able to reach out to the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About point number 5, I think there are also people who buy multiple copies of the same book. The logical amount would probably be 3 pieces: one for actual reading, one personal mint copy, and another mint copy to go to Yahoo! Auctions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About point number 5, I think there are also people who buy multiple copies of the same book. The logical amount would probably be 3 pieces: one for actual reading, one personal mint copy, and another mint copy to go to Yahoo! Auctions.</p>
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		<title>By: Zepy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zepy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't say for sure if it was the same five years ago, but I haven't actually seen any big changes in comiket over the past five years that would have caused a big shift in that number. 

While most of the doujinshi that you see in stores are adult material because they sell better, the reality is that comic market contains a huge mash of different stuff of just about anything, such as political critiques, books of reviews, accounts of personal travels, history books, research books, game strategy guides, pet books, concert reports, parody goods, music CDs, photography CDs, fashion and accessories, TRPG books, plush dolls, wrestling commentary, Mixed martial arts books, and a whole lot more stuff that will probably go on for pages if I had to list them all.

So... what I was trying to say was that there's way too much stuff happening in Comic Market for porn to be a majority. But a lot of the ones that sell are porn related.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say for sure if it was the same five years ago, but I haven&#8217;t actually seen any big changes in comiket over the past five years that would have caused a big shift in that number. </p>
<p>While most of the doujinshi that you see in stores are adult material because they sell better, the reality is that comic market contains a huge mash of different stuff of just about anything, such as political critiques, books of reviews, accounts of personal travels, history books, research books, game strategy guides, pet books, concert reports, parody goods, music CDs, photography CDs, fashion and accessories, TRPG books, plush dolls, wrestling commentary, Mixed martial arts books, and a whole lot more stuff that will probably go on for pages if I had to list them all.</p>
<p>So&#8230; what I was trying to say was that there&#8217;s way too much stuff happening in Comic Market for porn to be a majority. But a lot of the ones that sell are porn related.</p>
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		<title>By: super rats</title>
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		<dc:creator>super rats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: (1)
I always did wonder just how much of the doujin material was porn.  30% is still a lot, but it does answer my question that it isn't the majority.  Do you know if this is higher or lower than say five years ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: (1)<br />
I always did wonder just how much of the doujin material was porn.  30% is still a lot, but it does answer my question that it isn&#8217;t the majority.  Do you know if this is higher or lower than say five years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Zepy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zepy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number of circles registered as having doujin soft as their genre in the last Comiket was approximately 15%. But that genre includes all circles that are doing touhou doujinshi or doujinshi based on doujin games, and the genre also includes doujin music.

So... based on personal experience walking around in comiket all these years, I wouldn't be surprised if only 1% or 2% of circles actually did doujin soft. It's not a very popular genre because of the amount of time and work and the number of talented people required to make a game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of circles registered as having doujin soft as their genre in the last Comiket was approximately 15%. But that genre includes all circles that are doing touhou doujinshi or doujinshi based on doujin games, and the genre also includes doujin music.</p>
<p>So&#8230; based on personal experience walking around in comiket all these years, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if only 1% or 2% of circles actually did doujin soft. It&#8217;s not a very popular genre because of the amount of time and work and the number of talented people required to make a game.</p>
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		<title>By: Hayama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hayama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got a question:

How is the Doujin Soft genre doing in the Comiket? is a very small percentage of the event or is very big? because to be honest the only thing that got me interested in go to the Comiket is for the latest Doujin games, the scene is every year more bigger (at least since 2000/2002, with EFZ/Tsukihime/Melty Blood/Embodiment of Scarlet Devil and others)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a question:</p>
<p>How is the Doujin Soft genre doing in the Comiket? is a very small percentage of the event or is very big? because to be honest the only thing that got me interested in go to the Comiket is for the latest Doujin games, the scene is every year more bigger (at least since 2000/2002, with EFZ/Tsukihime/Melty Blood/Embodiment of Scarlet Devil and others)</p>
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		<title>By: littleharlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>littleharlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article (as usual)!

&#62;(3) Copyshi and their pricing

Furthermore I'd say if publishing Copyshi or better said the prices attached to these would really just be as high as they usually are due to Circles aiming to make high profits, then it would be completely illogical that most Circle that release those laterwards re-publish/re-collect them in Doujinshi format (i.e. TINKLE who've appologized on their Official site's BBS for the limited availability of their SunCre39 Copyshi and at the same time assured their who've not been able to get ahold of it by then, that this release would be collected within their upcoming ComiComi12 publication)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article (as usual)!</p>
<p>&gt;(3) Copyshi and their pricing</p>
<p>Furthermore I&#8217;d say if publishing Copyshi or better said the prices attached to these would really just be as high as they usually are due to Circles aiming to make high profits, then it would be completely illogical that most Circle that release those laterwards re-publish/re-collect them in Doujinshi format (i.e. TINKLE who&#8217;ve appologized on their Official site&#8217;s BBS for the limited availability of their SunCre39 Copyshi and at the same time assured their who&#8217;ve not been able to get ahold of it by then, that this release would be collected within their upcoming ComiComi12 publication)</p>
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		<title>By: Zepy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zepy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Shingo
&gt;(5)
Yeah the math isn't really right and I didn't add anything from the original post. I'm pretty sure I remember the limits imposed on the amount of goods you can move into the space doesn't actually allow enough to hit 10,000 though. I think it was Yoshitoshi Abe who said that ~6,000 books was the limit for him as a corner wall circle. 

Though I have no idea if the shutter circles are actually allowed to go much higher. But most of the biggest shutter circles seem to sell out after 3-4 hours even with limit of 2 per person or 1 per person.

&gt;(10)
Yeah! Those big money guys that do doujin for a living. Man some of them actually sell upwards of 100,000 copies through the doujin stores. 
く・・・悔しい・・・ﾋﾞｸﾋﾞｸｯ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Shingo<br />
>(5)<br />
Yeah the math isn&#8217;t really right and I didn&#8217;t add anything from the original post. I&#8217;m pretty sure I remember the limits imposed on the amount of goods you can move into the space doesn&#8217;t actually allow enough to hit 10,000 though. I think it was Yoshitoshi Abe who said that ~6,000 books was the limit for him as a corner wall circle. </p>
<p>Though I have no idea if the shutter circles are actually allowed to go much higher. But most of the biggest shutter circles seem to sell out after 3-4 hours even with limit of 2 per person or 1 per person.</p>
<p>>(10)<br />
Yeah! Those big money guys that do doujin for a living. Man some of them actually sell upwards of 100,000 copies through the doujin stores.<br />
く・・・悔しい・・・ﾋﾞｸﾋﾞｸｯ</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the perspective of someone who has sold as a circle at Comiket I can corroborate most of these points.

(3) Regarding copy books is especially ridiculous; people don't make them to sell money, they're produced either when you don't have time to finish an offset or as a special extra for fans who take the trouble to come to the event in person instead of buying afterward via a specialty shop like Toranoana.

(4) It &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; exactly special treatment that places large circles against the outer wall, but as the post says, the treatment is warranted due to traffic flow issues. It would be hell to have a major circle anywhere other than at the perimeter of the hall.

(5) The math there is incorrect; major circles can and do sell upwards of 10,000 copies of their books on a single day at Comiket (people buy multiple copies of a book at a time, or single copies of multiple books, etc).

(7) Requires a bit more complex analysis than is given. It's very hard to sell original work at the volume of parody, for starters, and the general consensus among artists is that following the popular trends of the season is where the money is at if you're looking to maximize profit.

(10) It's about making money for some circles (though not for the vast majority). Even for the "pro" circles Comiket is only part of a larger business strategy that consists of several other events each year and consignment sales at specialty shops, possible online digital sales, and other professional work (not doujin-related).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the perspective of someone who has sold as a circle at Comiket I can corroborate most of these points.</p>
<p>(3) Regarding copy books is especially ridiculous; people don&#8217;t make them to sell money, they&#8217;re produced either when you don&#8217;t have time to finish an offset or as a special extra for fans who take the trouble to come to the event in person instead of buying afterward via a specialty shop like Toranoana.</p>
<p>(4) It <em>is</em> exactly special treatment that places large circles against the outer wall, but as the post says, the treatment is warranted due to traffic flow issues. It would be hell to have a major circle anywhere other than at the perimeter of the hall.</p>
<p>(5) The math there is incorrect; major circles can and do sell upwards of 10,000 copies of their books on a single day at Comiket (people buy multiple copies of a book at a time, or single copies of multiple books, etc).</p>
<p>(7) Requires a bit more complex analysis than is given. It&#8217;s very hard to sell original work at the volume of parody, for starters, and the general consensus among artists is that following the popular trends of the season is where the money is at if you&#8217;re looking to maximize profit.</p>
<p>(10) It&#8217;s about making money for some circles (though not for the vast majority). Even for the &#8220;pro&#8221; circles Comiket is only part of a larger business strategy that consists of several other events each year and consignment sales at specialty shops, possible online digital sales, and other professional work (not doujin-related).</p>
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		<title>By: Espr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Espr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should also mention the prices, and the fact that it's pretty remote.  If any of you go this summer, I hope to see you there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should also mention the prices, and the fact that it&#8217;s pretty remote.  If any of you go this summer, I hope to see you there.</p>
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