The fax from the EOCS has been sent out
A fax dated 4th of June has been sent out to the member companies with some details on the new regulations. Here are some reactions:
Blue Gale Chairman: (via Blue Gale chairman’s diary)
The fax came.
I made a phone call.
I got the answering machine…
The answering machine…
Unnamed eroge programmer: (via ある、古参のエロゲプログラマーの戯れ言)
About the EOCS thing, we had a meeting on the 2nd of June, but today on the 3rd of June we got a fax at 18:01 which relayed the new regulations that will be starting on the 5th of June. We had something that was already 90% completed and was completely NG according to the new regulations,
so we panicked and called the EOCS, but they said the guy in charge is not around. Basically we only have one day left on the 4th of June to protest about this.
This is a joke.
LUNE: (via Marigold blog)
Too much has happened, probably enough to easily kill a small animal (from shock). But… things still probably aren’t that bad for us compared to the others. I wonder if Syrup soft is okay…
Chairman Baba from VisualArts: (posted after the meeting yesterday)
I’m going to hang myself
The fax is supposed to be confidential but there have been several sources on 2ch that have leaked the main points of the new regulations out. It’s pretty… depressing.
Apparently the pressure for regulations actually hit the shops and suppliers first it came to the EOCS. Some are unhappy because there wasn’t a real proper general meeting held and there was no vote to decide on the details. However rape actually makes a small fraction of the industry so there might not actually be a big uproar.
This looks really bad.
Oh yeah, hypnosis is okay, apparently.
Edit: Fixed first two points on the new regulations so it’s clearer
Related:
About the EOCS
Production and sale of rape games will be banned
Update: According to this site, the EOCS is apparently aiming for a gradual change in regulations so games being released in the near future may not be strongly affected yet. Also hypnosis was mentioned as being okay during the meeting but wasn’t mentioned in the fax, so it’s not 100% clear if it’s okay.
June 3rd, 2009 at 11:22 am
It’s really disturbing to see that some stupid feminist organization can restrain freedom of speech this much. Oh, what kind of world do we live in…
June 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 am
fuck women and they shitty “rights”
i hope they all get fucking raped thats what they deserve
June 3rd, 2009 at 11:49 am
Japan has always bowed to Western pressure in the name of “sexual decency”. It goes back all the way to the Meiji Restoration.
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
This whole thing smelled fishy from the start.
There was all that government pressure, with one of the government groups being the puppet of a moralistic cult. The TBS broadcast wasn’t a fabrication, but rather a leak of a pre-determined decision. And the EOCS meeting was just for show, to give the illusion of industry consensus.
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
I suppose the ironic part of this is that, if the guidelines actually remain as stated (which is perhaps rather doubtful), this self-regulation would be more severe than that demonstrated by some of the eroge already licensed, translated, and distributed in the U.S. The pendulum effect strikes again, in its never-ending quest for equilibrium…
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
>Oh yeah, hypnosis is okay, apparently.
LMAO
Which game did that doll house smashing picture come from?
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
But what will happen to black-lilith? I don’t like this one bit.
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:58 pm
“fuck women and they shitty “rights”
i hope they all get fucking raped thats what they deserve”
Thank you, you’ve neatly demonstrated exactly why this crap was able to be passed. Because there are people who fear that anyone who likes these games is as much of a scumbag as YOU are.
If people like you did not exist, this wouldn’t be happening. You give the rest of us a bad name. When those of us arguing in favor of free expression argue that of course we know the difference between fantasy and reality and no one thinks these games are a guide to sensible behavior, they hold up your post.
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
>PornLovingFeminist
cool story bro
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I don’t like rape games much. But neither do I think they should be banned. I get jumpy when free speech is restricted.
Some aspect of Japanese porn industry may be creepy as fuck, but that doesn’t mean they are a threat to humanity (and I could pretty much consider myself a feminist).
Oh, wait a few years and more and more material will be considered offensive, and not fit to grace the shelves of various shops.
I’ll just finish with my favourite quote, shamelessly stolen from Alan Moore’s Little Girls: ‘Only a judge and a madman confuses fantasy with reality’
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Lots of people have creepy thoughts, but thoughts shouldn’t be a crime. Actually criminalising rape games would be ridiculous… it’s blurring the lines of responsibility. The game doesn’t rape people, people rape people.
OTOH, *if* they had actual evidence that rape games = more rapes (which they don’t), then this kind of action, which is NOT a criminal law but instead just a change to the market to try and make rape games a little harder to get at, would make sense.
But since to the best of my knowledge, rape games do not actually increase rape crime, it’s all a stupid waste of time.
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
>But what will happen to black-lilith? I don’t like this one bit.
IIRC, nothing will happen.
The Lilith brand is regulated by the CSA.
Unless the CSA decides to change their regulations as well.
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
> Thank you, you’ve neatly demonstrated exactly why this crap was able to be passed.
I dunno. While it certainly doesn’t help, at the same time I think there’s also some very strong double standards going on. After all, feminist forums have their share of hateful comments like “people who play rape games are sickos who should get really raped/tortured/castrated/whatever”, but no one takes those comments seriously.
The major reason why “crap like this passes” is because no one really cares about what otaku want. I think most otaku know this, so many otaku just decide to be crass and crude, because no matter what they’re going to get shat on anyway. People trapped in the lower social castes have no reason to adhere to the social propriety of the higher castes.
> Oh yeah, hypnosis is okay, apparently.
And thus a new fetish is born: HYPNO-COCK!
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
What about Rance?
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Rance 8 will turn Rance into a man of justice and respectful of femininity.
Half of the other Alice series will cease to exist though.
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
The the person who asked for the source: it’s Barbaroi (http://vndb.org/v1016).
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
…How is this bad? I don’t understand.
Oh no, freedom of speech has been destroyed? What country actually has true freedom of speech?
Remember what a hate crime is?
Even if the people protesting this are only interested in promoting free speech… protesting something like this makes you sound like you get off to rape.
Amusing, ain’t it?
At least Tsukihime 2009 is safe, it looks like.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
>Kaisos
Rance.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:17 pm
VDZ, thanks.
>What about Rance?
Serious Answer.
Zepy mention ALICESOFT is with EOCS, so yeah, Rance will turn into fuzzy housemale and Sil will be emancipated and become a career mom.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:34 pm
After all, feminist forums have their share of hateful comments like “people who play rape games are sickos who should get really raped/tortured/castrated/whatever”, but no one takes those comments seriously.
Actually, the particular forums I frequent DO take those comments seriously. People show up and make comments like that and get promptly shouted down and, if they don’t retract it, banned - then create new accounts to whine about how mean we are. :)
Sadly, no matter how often we ban people for acting like that it doesn’t seem to stop them… some people have real trouble understanding the concept of ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Uh, yeah, as others have said… don’t conflate any and all feminists (nevermind all women) with those pro-censorship morons. It makes you look at least as dumb as them (also, whatever is up with the “feminists flip out when you hold open a door for them? I must’ve held doors open for hundreds of people, male and female, quite a few of which were feminists… no one ever complained… erm, anyway).
“Words such as “training” (調教) or “slave” are not allowed in the title or packaging”
Expected, no surprise there.
“CG involving sexual violation cannot exceed 20% of a game’s content”
Assuming this means 20% of all CGs… this is bad for quite a few eroge.
“Even if it’s below 20%, anything that is promoting a criminal offense is not allowed”
Add another disclaimer?
“Anything that promotes rape, confinement, stalking, domestic violence, and portrays it in a way that the offender gains something out of it is not allowed”
Now this is the big issue. “in a way that the offender gains something out of it”… well, (s)he’ll definitely gain enjoyment out of it. In quite a few cases it also gains him(her) mana, information, a loyal servant and whatnot.
Short of an outright ban of all rape, this is close to the worst possible outcome… though I’m encouraged by the industry reaction, at least this time our team hasn’t waved the white flag before the battle has been joined. ;-)
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I wonder if they realize what this is going to do. ‘Rape’ will be replaced with ‘violent consensual sex’; nothing will change except the level of consent implied. So instead of getting the message of ‘It’s not that hard and is socially acceptable to rape somebody’, people who play games under the new guidelines will get the message of ‘Not only is it easy and acceptable to rape somebody, they all WANT to be raped’?
I’d say that anybody who can’t tell the difference between a video game and reality should just not be allowed to play video games, but the simple fact that this ban has been put in motion shows how well that argument works against irrational people. So let’s put things in terms they’ll understand; By forcing this change, they’ve not only not stopped the production of rape-themed games, they’ve brought about the production of rape-themed games in which the girl, no matter what she says on the outside, secretly wants it.
I’ve been using rape games for years to curb the darker sides of my libido, and over time have been using them less and less because of how the women are portrayed. As I expose myself to what we currently have available, that part of my libido is disappearing; the women are shown as being in pain, disgusted, even traumatized for life, and it’s starting to affect my instincts. Thanks to the unrepentingly graphic nature of games like Rapelay and Biko, I’m not only able to take out these urges without hurting anybody, but am also losing them entirely because of how obviously it is against the women’s wills. But now it’s going to have the overtone of ‘Oh, it’s okay, she actually wants it!’ What’s this going to do to people like ME, who have been using the games of the past to keep themselves from hurting other human beings?
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:02 pm
They came first for the lolicons,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a lolicon.
Then they came for the rape fetishists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a rape fetishist.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
*crying in a corner*
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:22 pm
What about yuri rape?
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
>”Assuming this means 20% of all CGs… this is bad for quite a few eroge.”
The fuck? How many eroge have THAT MUCH focus on rape?
Certainly not one that I want to play…
Also, as stated, this only applies to NEW titles. Old titles are still fine.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
I guess people will have to relieve their sexual agression in the real world from now on.
Great show, feminists.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
“The fuck? How many eroge have THAT MUCH focus on rape?”
Quite a lot, actually. Most Alicesoft games, lots of the darker games…
“Certainly not one that I want to play…”
So it’s okay if they ban them if you (or I) don’t want to play them? How very 20th century of you…
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Kaisos> no, not a hate crime. What we are talking about is a thought crime.
So, some people get off on rape porn. Some people get off on cartoon porn (you may even know such people! be vary of sickos in your vicnity).
It’s a fetish, a kink. I strongly doubt people playing such games would ever sexualy abuse somebody. And abusers are abusers because their mind is flawed, not because they played Rapelay.
Fantasizing about sex and rape is on a wholy diferent level than actualy raping somebody. If you have problems realizing the difference, maybe you should seek the attention of proffesionals.
This gets uncomfortably close to losing free speech. Porn is always the first one to go, in the name of morality and such bullshit.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
“So it’s okay if they ban them if you (or I) don’t want to play them? How very 20th century of you…”
Silly you, I don´t care about you.
No but seriously, I find this whole thing hilarius. Can´t say that I really care, but way to go feminists.
Actually, on a second thought, bye bye Rance D:
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:21 pm
they will try to ban normal porn later..
women these days
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
I predict that a lot of things will become netorare from now on
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
You can’t eliminate us fictional rapists, feminists. We’re going to find a loophole and keep raping fictional women.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
also, rape in fiction is obviously different from RL rape
in porn a lot of them end up enjoying it
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
>”How very 20th century of you…”
Did I say that? No, no I did not.
I did say that I’m in favor of getting rid of games that are focused on and glorify rape though.
Not necessarily games that HAVE rape. (Which seems to be the point here. Games can still have rape, just not a lot of it.)
>”no, not a hate crime. What we are talking about is a thought crime.”
No, I meant that the very concept of a “hate crime” goes against freedom of speech.
Denying that the Holocaust happened in most European countries will get you thrown in prison. Being racist against black people in the states will get you in deep shit.
That obviously goes against freedom of speech/expression, right? Fact is, you really CAN’T say or do what you want in most countries.
This is no different.
>”they will try to ban normal porn later..”
No, they can’t do that. They can’t actually ban something that’s such a massive, lucrative market.
Like I said before, it’s like banning alcohol and tobacco. Can’t be done, too many people are into it.
Rape games, and visual novels/eroge/ren’ai in general, are fairly niche.
This will have no affect on normal porn anywhere, least of all where most of the commenters here live.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
> This will have no affect on normal porn anywhere
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. The Sokka Gakkai religious cult and their political puppet New Komeito are pretty crazily determined, and only growing in political influence (actual popular influence is lower but irrelevant, since Japan has never been truly run by popular consensus anyway). They’ve made clear in the past that they’re pretty hostile towards all porn.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re intentionally trying to instigate a breakdown of EOCS to provide “proof” that industry regulation can’t work, therefore paving the way for much broader government regulation.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Kaisos:
Hate CRIME is when you commit a crime, like assault, or murder, because of hatred towards the victims race, religion, creed, etc.etc. Hatecrime legislation means that you’ll get additional time for that.
What you described there is hate SPEECH. Which is legal in the United States (short of direct and immediate incitement. You can call for shooting police officers in the head and lynching blacks. You can’t say “lets lynch/shoot that guy over there”. Or yell “Fire!” in a theater, for that matter).
Nice to see you’re as well informed about that as you seem to be about everything else.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Okay, I did not know that. Thank you for informing me.
By the way, go fuck yourself. =D
My POINT is that there’s really no such thing as true freedom.
(By the way, hate speech is illegal in Canada, where I live, so…)
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Actually 90 percent of Japanese AV porn is insult/rape/BSDM
but they’re not going to target AV porn since the politicians feed on Yakuza money
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:07 pm
> My POINT is that there’s really no such thing as true freedom.
Which is precisely WHY it’s so important to fight for freedom, tooth and nail.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
>This whole thing smelled fishy from the start.
>There was all that government pressure, with one of the
>government groups being the puppet of a moralistic cult. The TBS
>broadcast wasn’t a fabrication, but rather a leak of a pre-determined
>decision. And the EOCS meeting was just for show, to give the
>illusion of industry consensus.
This.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
>…How is this bad? I don’t understand.
Kill yourself.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
>”Which is precisely WHY it’s so important to fight for freedom, tooth and nail.”
But if you fight for rape games, you look like a sick disgusting pervert.
You can’t win here. Just let it go.
>”This.”
Conspiracy theories like this are almost never real. That’s just putting blame where it shouldn’t be going.
Blame the rapists who cause rape to be viewed like this.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
>Blame the rapists who cause rape to be viewed like this.
Blame the feminists who cause rape games to be treated like this.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
This legislation effectively bans training games and good deal of Alice Soft games
What is left are boring CLICKAN games
And actually, even Fate Stay Night wouldn’t be able to published under this rule.
There’s something really wrong about this.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
> But if you fight for rape games, you look like a sick disgusting pervert.
> You can’t win here. Just let it go.
The people who want rape games are ALREADY decried as sick disgusting perverts. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by fighting.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:29 pm
GODDAMN.
It’s not legislation, its fucking self censorship.
Get your fucking facts straight, people.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
let’s test this law using the now infamous Rapelay
># Words such as “training” (調教) or “slave” are not allowed in the title or packaging
No problem here, surprisingly
># CG involving sexual violation cannot exceed 20% of a game’s content
It is possible for the girl to start having orgasm from the 2nd sex scene and so on. At that point becomes consensual or at the very least, tsundere sex.
># Even if it’s below 20%, anything that is promoting a criminal offense is not allowed
># Anything that promotes rape, confinement, stalking, domestic violence, and portrays it in a way that the offender gains something out of it is not allowed
The rapist is always murdered in each of the two endings. You can call that karma, I guess.
So by this rule, Rapelay is actually ok?
Hmmm…
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I wonder if this means further restrictions on doujin in Comiket are imminent?
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
For the better lack of word, doujins adhere to no law
the only thing that can make a doujin maker stop is if the copyright holder gives them a cease and desist letter
but even that doesn’t stop everyone
Cowboy Bebob doujins still exist for instance, despite Sunrise being very straight about not allowing it
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Can’t restrict doujin. They’re by definition self-published, and not under the jurisdiction of the EOCS.
And as for Fate/Stay Night, well, I don’t actually think that would be covered under this.
Shinji always either dies or gets pwned horribly. I think that would suffice for these regulations.
>”It’s not legislation, its fucking self censorship.”
Most commenters on blogs like Canned Dogs and Sankaku can’t be bothered to actually read the article before hitting “Submit Comment”.
It’s the same with newspapers. People form opinions based on titles alone.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
The professionally marketed eroge model is unstable anyway. Because piracy is so common the sale of $80 eroge is dependent on the fast-decreasing moral values of otaku and shoddily programmed DRM. Doujinshi are the future.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Things just got a lot more interesting…
They’ll just make it not “seem” like rape. Probably.
Sigh, maybe I should go replay some rape eroges before they vanish off the market forever.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Like this article says, games released previously are not considered to be under the new restrictions.
Your old rape games are still fine.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm
But any possible sequels are kaput.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:02 pm
mega fail
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Difficult times for EOCS eroge writers, they have to create a protagonist who’s actually likable now.
Or somehow cram in hypnotism into their storyline.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:12 pm
This is absolute madness, madness. What a bunch of cowards… self-censoring… ><
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:14 pm
What next? Pushing NTR as an alternative to rape?
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
> The people who want rape games are ALREADY decried as sick
> disgusting perverts. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain
> by fighting.
we have nothing to lose but our tengas. we have a nubile schoolgirl to gain.
otakus of the world unite…
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:58 pm
I don’t even like rape games, and I get upset when people joke about rape, but this ban makes me sick. Especially if nobody protests it, who knows what else they could get away with restricting.
June 4th, 2009 at 12:58 am
Kaisos> yeah, I know denying Holocaust is punishible by law. I live in fucking Europe. But I also think it is stretching it - I’m not that sure that it helps anything.
However, Europe is very, very anal about holocaust.
Yeah, absolute freedom is not achievable (but who fucking wants it? As Fromm wrote: Absolute freedom means absolute loneliness), but does that mean we should stop caring about freedoms alltogether? I certainly think not!
And I just see no way how rape games hurt anybody. I even think they are a good release for people so inclined (very similar to lolicon). And a lot of people are just playing it to satisfy their dark, animal part.
We all have a shadow.
And you would be surprised how easily porn can be banned. Don’t think economy and laws od free market are allmighty.
For example, in Britain there are obscenity laws on material which is not porn. Very close to outlawing ‘obscene ideas’.
June 4th, 2009 at 1:19 am
Re: That word that translates to ‘training’. I suppose that’s a word with, like, slave-master connotations? They wouldn’t ban something like ‘Brain Training’… right?
Are these sex training games always done in a non-consensual fashion? I don’t see why it’d have to be. It’d have a dominance/submission theme, of course, but they could write it in a romantic sort of way. I’d play that. Not that any of this nonsense affects me, none of these get translated.
June 4th, 2009 at 1:38 am
調教 means training in direct translation, but not in the sense of weight training or army basic training. Rather in sittuations like training horses to jump fences or dogs to not piss on your carpets. It’s more directed toward animals than people.
June 4th, 2009 at 4:58 am
Where’s transparency here? The regulations are different from what was discussed. Just exactly what was discussed between the power that be and the directors? I wonder why they cave so easily to political pressure. Isn’t there something behind the scene?
June 4th, 2009 at 5:16 am
Does this affect BL games too?
June 4th, 2009 at 5:55 am
>I’m going to hang myself
I seriously don’t want anyone from the industry to die, but I can’t help but wonder what would happen if he actually did that.
“Feminist Hate Machine drives Successful Game-Maker into Suicide”
June 4th, 2009 at 6:06 am
Doesn’t anyone find it strange that EOCS didn’t even try getting votes for this ban,but just decided to ban it?
June 4th, 2009 at 6:18 am
Oh god, I once admired Japanese eroge for NOT being totally misogynistic.
I mean, do these feminists really want to replace all of the charmingly innocent rape victims in these games with sluts and hookers? Are they only going to be satisfied once all female eroge characters are portrayed as horny whores who just fuck their way through the story?
June 4th, 2009 at 6:40 am
promiscuous guy = stud, hero
promiscuous girl = slut, whore
June 4th, 2009 at 8:44 am
You bunch of arrogant niggas make me sick.
So, for you all, a woman who is dominant sexually and is not afraid to back down is a promiscuous prostitute ?
And seriously, what is with all the misogynism amongst you niggas ? You do’t like the feminist movement ? Then go and be gay. Nothing like same sexual orientation to assert a particular gender’s dominance over others.
Don’t blame the rapists and don’t blame the feminists. Rape has an innate moral offensibility, whether it is real or fictituous.
All you ignorant niggas who cower under the name ‘Anonymous’ seriously need a new life. Preferably one away from the Internet. And perhaps the computer.
June 4th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Rorscach’s Journal, June 4th, 2009:
All these Anonymous fucks really need to learn to read and think.
Now, I’m not saying that rape should be entirely removed from erotic gaming. I have played one or two eroge that have featured rape, but, in those cases, the act was shown as something horrible and atrocious, with no good repercussions out of it.
I mean, are these disgusting fucks all satisfied with games that promote the act of sexual abuse and slavery as something good, even if its ‘in-game’ ? Are you all playing this out of an act of sexual repression, either by a lack of a real-life partner or by woman who assert themselves on to you ?
And as for the people who ‘claim to be girls who like rape fantasies’…. I know you are all liars. Just male cowards writing elaborate fiction to portray a hidden, insidious, disgusting agenda they believe in.
And, if you are truly female, then you’re nothing mroe than the perpetuation of women who enjoy the fantasy of being dominated by their dream men. WHich will never be real, or at least will never work out the way you think ti will. In which case, wake the fuck up.
So, to all you fuckers who pose as anonymous, I’m watching you. I’ll come down after you the way I came down on Blaire Roche’s killer. I know who you all are.
Rorschach, 4th June, 2009.
June 4th, 2009 at 9:23 am
>Just male cowards writing elaborate fiction to portray a hidden, insidious, disgusting agenda they believe in.
Says the guy writing (badly, I might add) as ‘Rorschach’. If you’re going to use a name, try getting it right in the Name field.
And did you ever stop to think that maybe we’re using ‘Anonymous’ because that’s what it defaults to when you don’t put anything in the name field? Because it does.
June 4th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Dear Roschach - try using google before mangling somebody’s name.
Also, since you are using an alias of a sociopath, you may yourself have some problems from telling reality and fantasy apart.
Rape fantasy is not the same as raping somebody. Not by far.
‘Promoting behaviour’ is a questionable concept. Then shouldn’t showing violence (on television, for example) be banned also?
Oh right! Graphic violence is only for adults to view. Adults who can make their own decisions, and, who can tell fantasy violence from beating somebody up in reality.
Since I’m pretty sure eroge are aimed at adults I see no problem (aside from it being a particularly icky and creepy kink) with rape games.
June 4th, 2009 at 9:40 am
TONIGHT WE’LL RAPE IN HELL!!!
June 4th, 2009 at 9:49 am
The best thing for those companies would be just stop using EOCS, and go for other companies or no regulations at all. I mean, if stores allow to store unregulated games, then there is no problem. And they will, if their stock would disappear just cause no one wanna use EOCS anymore. And then EOCS will be kind to change things back as they were.
Oh, BTW, FUCK FEMINACIZS. I hope they all die and be raped at same time. They only deserve for this.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Huh, apparently EOCS member brand BISHOP has posted on their website on June 4 that their game “Educational Guidance” will still be coming out on August 7 with no changes to content. This game is described by the company as an “Ultimate Erotic Campus Rape ADV” which features uncensored female voices.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:09 am
>The best thing for those companies would be just stop using EOCS
You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
>Oh, BTW, FUCK FEMINACIZS. I hope they all die and be raped at same >time. They only deserve for this.
Thank you for proving Equality Now’s point you dumbass.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Haha, oh wow! Alicesoft and Nitroplus can burn in hell now! Ahahaha!
June 4th, 2009 at 10:17 am
>You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
Well Nitro+ is not using EOCS anyways.
And moreover, isnt it something like PEGI or that USA crap?
I mean, no one is really bounded by them, its just for stores. And if stores wont accept them, then it’s okay.
>Thank you for proving Equality Now’s point you dumbass.
Do I care? I always hated them, because they are stupid. And no, I don’t play rape only games, but I do enjoy rape parts in story, if done well.
For example, dlsite game “Violent Semen Inferno” which was all about rape, but yet was interesting in atmosphere, thus I liked it.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Gather us into your love, O Lord; make us Your people.
Take us and hold us, break us and mold us in Your love, in Your love.
Send us Your spirit, O Lord, our God; make us Your own.
Seek out and find us, in Your love, bind us for we are Yours.
We are Yours!
For the triumph of love and grace, You redeemed us from sin’s embrace.
To You, Lord Jesus, we lift our praise for we are Yours.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Also, what has Equality Now to do with it?
I mean, they wanna be equal, but I don’t see why they should object to rape games. I mean, woman is raped so what? Big deal. In BL&Yandere games men are raped, thus it’s equal. I don’t see a problem.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Couple of things
* I wonder if those making otome games featuring yaoi shota rape, domination and humiliation are affected. If not, then we have a model for hypocrisy, thanks Equality Now.
* You can never win against feminists. Even though they never had to be lynched or forced to sit in the back of the bus like the Civil Rights fighters, they hide behind the privilege of being women. And fighting against women makes any man look like an ass, regardless of whether he’s right in the first place.
The solution is to withdraw and do non-violent non-support. Thankfully, the economic recession is helping in a way. No industrial jobs, fewer eligible men, no marriage, no taxes, the wellspring of funds for women’s organizations will dry up. It’s funny that while almost every other thing is being devalued — goods, services, the hard work of honest people — pussy is the only thing that keeps its skyrocket prices.
Darker days are ahead, Harry. Be glad you’re a man. You’re used to living through shitty conditions, having the world expected of you while you still have to struggle your way to grab every damn thing you ever wanted.
My brother and I decided to boycott women years ago. Because almost all women today are feminist one way or another, no one goes through today’s society without being influenced by their shrill sisters in no small way. My brother is bi-sexual, so it’s much easier for him. It’s harder for me but going 2D was one way I got weaned from the toxic 3D variety.
So boycott, boycott, boycott.
Some writer in the 1930s, forgot his name now, wrote that whomever lives during a civilation’s time of rise of feminism will see that civilization’s eventual collapse (within 50 years to be precise.) Feminism started in the west in the 1960s. It’s going to be the 2010s now, and we are indeed seeing the collapse of western civilization. If men have no jobs and no families (due to women taking them through affirmative action and divorce), then there is no need to support society’s infrastructure, and it collapses.
There will be eventual equality in the present to the future. Equality of misery.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:32 am
>Do I care? I always hated them, because they are stupid.
>Also, what has Equality Now to do with it?
I just want idiots to stop feeding ammunition to the people who trying to dismantle eroge.
Goddamn.
People are demanding that rape games be banned not because they directly cause rape, because they perpetuate shitty stereotypes about women. These stereotypes leads to these wonderful examples of misogyny on this website and beyond.
This is agrument that Equality Now is putting forth. So please stop raping the strawmen, okay?
June 4th, 2009 at 10:35 am
wow, mr anonymous. You sure dislike women.
Hide behind the feminist crap, if you wish. In reality the are decent girls, bitches - all kind of people.
If you wish to “boycott” a gender just because of some ideology (that is not even all that prevalent), then nothing of value was lost, I guess.
You, mister, hide behind a wall of rationalizations so high and thick not even a sledgemhammer would break it.
I would recommend seeking professional help - maybe some nice Rogerian lady. She will accept you no matter what, they train them that way.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am
And this is the perfect example of a feminist retort. Instead of bringing arguments to match arguments, she just launches on a personal attack and suggests that the man needs help.
Good luck finding a husband if you desire any at all. Or even children from decent fathers.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Haha, so equality complains that rape games perpetuated the stereotype of women being innocent and kind and morally superior but physically inferior beings and thus charming victims?
Oh, wow. You know what that means? They want games to instead revive the middle ages’ stereotype of women being inherently morally inferior lust demons that are mentally superior because they can seduce and subdue men at will by using their appeals and therefore deserve mistrust and discipline from their potential victims the males.
Welcome to feminism, the best civilization-killer since the downfall of the Roman Empire.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:51 am
All they need to do is link up rape and loli, and it’ll snowball from there on. Ban everything with loli. Ban everything with rape. Ban everything sexually offensive. Watch the censorship kick into action.
We all know that we can never make the distinction between fantasy and reality, and that we will always need someone to tell us what to do and what to think. We’re not smart enough to handle such responsibilities. We can never be responsible enough for our own actions, and clearly we all possess the tendency for criminal behavior, which exposure to mediums such as games ends up drawing out.
They’re just looking out for our ignorance! Its all for the greater good!
June 4th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Ban feminism. Problem solved.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:23 am
i wish those feminists are raped until they’re dead
June 4th, 2009 at 11:24 am
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June 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Pro-censorship morons on one side, misogynist assholes on the other…
…
“* I wonder if those making otome games featuring yaoi shota rape, domination and humiliation are affected. If not, then we have a model for hypocrisy, thanks Equality Now.”
If they’re members of the EOCS, this would apply to them as well.
June 4th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
What really worries me about all this is people like Anonymous of June 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm. Nobody is really unique, which means he’s not alone. How many people are there that are going to go out and rape somebody because they can’t loose themselves on false images of women?
June 4th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
All women are sluts begging for cock. What’s wrong with raping them?
June 4th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
>What really worries me about all this is people like Anonymous of June 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm. Nobody is really unique, which means he’s not alone. How many people are there that are going to go out and rape somebody because they can’t loose themselves on false images of women?
A legion!
RAPE FEMINISTS!
June 4th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
dang dude did you get linked by sankaku or something
June 4th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Do you want to know the truth? Feminists are trying to get rape banned because they don’t like it, simple as that. The same way we don’t want our ero games be regulated because we like them. However, they go a step further and try to remove the “rotten apple”. I have seen it happen when a guy in my school was expelled, I call it the “psycho mother complex”.
June 4th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Stop using the word “rape” already, people.
Too much rape in this thread.
How about using “donkey punch”?
June 4th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
“dang dude did you get linked by sankaku or something”
Yeah, there was that…
June 4th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
> How about using “donkey punch”?
I don’t think I ever laughed this much at a cripple fight before.
Thank you dearly for the suggestion, good sir.
June 4th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
I LEAVE THIS PLACE FOR A FEW WEEKS, AND, MOTHERFUCKING BOOM ! ALL THESE FUCKFAGS FROM 4CHAN TURN UP
IF IT’S ORDINARY NEWS, YOU MOTHERFUCKERS DON’T GIVE A FUCK. BUT WHEN IT’S SOMETHING YOU ALL ENJOY, YOU TURN UP IN DROVES AND CLUSTERFUCK THIS PIECE OF SHIT PLACE.
SERIOUSLY, ALL YOU FUCKERS FROM 4 CHAN LACK THE IMAGINATION TO GIVE YOURSELF A NAME SUCH THAT YOU LEAVE THE NAME FIELD BLANK. NO REAL WONDER YOU ALL ENJOY THESE GAMES. UNIMAGINATIVE BASTARDS.
AND WHAT THE FUCK IS ALL THIS MISOGYNSTIC CRAP OF RAPING FEMINISTS ? WHY DON’T YOU GIVE IT A TRY ? HECK, YOU MAY TRULY PROVE THAT THE RATE OF SEXUAL CRIME WOULD RISE BECAUSE OF THE DEPRIVATION. AND NO, I’M NOT JOINING YOU, BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE A BUNCH OF SICK FUCKS WHO DON’T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND PROPERLY TO A FUCKING ARTICLE.
GTFO THIS BLOG AND GO BACK TO 4 CHAN.
THIS IS NOT 4 CHAN
THIS IS ZEPY
June 4th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Every group has it’s outlying idiots; people just like to assume that since they can’t pin a name to ours, we all fit the description. It gives them comfort, to be able to assume that there’s somebody out there worse than they are, that all of the ‘idiocy’ of the internet is concentrated in one place.
But really, being there just gives us more experience to deal with people like you; what we call ‘trolls’.
Nice try.
-4chan Anon
June 4th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
This whole Rapelay thing has been a huge mess. So much screaming drama from both sides, so much sensationalist media coverage, yet so little clear information on what the future may bring.
There is one sure thing, however. No matter what your stance on this issue, due to all this stupid drama rape games are now much more popular than they ever were before.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:04 am
@NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS
actually, they’re more likely from sankaku complex, which has a time-honored tradition of ripping off everything zepy posts amidst their porn galleries, mistranslated 2ch rumors and waiwai-quality tabloid headlines. don’t blame the good people of 4chan for their unfathomable idiocy.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:52 am
@ANON ABOVE ME
MAYBE YOU’RE RIGHT IVE BEEN ON 4CHAN SO MANY TIMES AND I HAVEN’T SEEN THIS AMOUNT OF FAIL IN A COMMENTS SECTION IF THERE’S ANY SITE MORE OF A PIECE OF FUCKING FAIL THAN ZEPY IT IS SANKAKU
@THE ANONFAG WHO DARES TO CALL HIMSELF ‘4CHAN ANON’ AND SAY THIS SHIT: “Nice try.”
ME YOU DARE CALL ME A TROLL
I’M NOT THE ONE WHOSE FUCKING UP THIS AREA WITH A 100 PLUS COMMENTS OF PURE UNADULTERATED MISOGYNISTIC BULLSHIT. OH SURE, NOT ALL OF YOUA RE THE SAME. THEN WHY NOT YOU ALL GO AND POST THESE VIEWS ON ANOTHER FORUM ?
OH NOES, YOU CAN’T ! YOU KNOW WHY ? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REGISTER YOU BITCH ! WHILE EVERY OTHER RESPECTABLE FORUM SUPPORTS THIS BAN, ONLY YOU FAILFUCKFAGS AT THIS POOR PIECE OF SHIT WEBSITE ARE VOICING YOUR RAGE AT THIS BAN. BUT, FUCK, EVERONE’S SUPPORTING IT. EXCEPT FOR SANKAKU WHICH, AS ANON ABOVE NOTES, IT’S THE GREATEST PIECE OF FAIL THIS SIDE OF THE INNERNET
SO SERIOUSLY, GO FUCK YOURSELF. MY APOLOGIES TO ALL 4CHAN ANONS: MAYBE IT’S BECAUSE I’VE SEEN SO MUCH IDIOCY IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS. BUT THIS SHIT ON ZEPY HAS TO STOP.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:30 am
@noneofyourfuckingbsuiness
see, I used a name, if you consider it that important.
I don’t see how all ‘respectable forums’ agree with the ban. And frankly, Idon’t give a two tugs of dead dog’s cock what ‘respectable people’ think.
I still stand firmly behind the opinion, that baning content of drawn games intended for adults is wrong.
Adult people are able to make their own decisions based on what they know of the world. Healthy adult people (that is, those that are not suffering from some psychiatric condition) are able to tell fantasy and reality apart.
If people want to try and adress the problem of rape, why not try adjusting the laws that deal with rape victims? Try to change the way the police interacts with them (some stories are frankly scary!)? Or just establish a support group for victims?
Lashing out at people, who haven’t done any actual crime, who in fact are just *playing games* is unacceptable, no matter how lofty the ideals behind such actions are.
June 5th, 2009 at 8:40 am
what the feminist organization do not understand is that by banning rape they are promoting more rape in reality because people (otaku) have noting to wank off too at home so they have to go out for the real experience.
June 5th, 2009 at 9:01 am
So otakus are all potential rapists?
Eatme, do you work for those feminists?
June 5th, 2009 at 11:22 am
I don’t think he’s calling all otaku potential rapists, just pointing out that there are likely more people in the world like the commenter who posted on June 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm. He seems to firmly believe that he’s more likely to go out and rape somebody (though I doubt he’ll ever run out of games to play; there are quite a few that were made before the ban, after all).
June 5th, 2009 at 11:58 am
> WHILE EVERY OTHER RESPECTABLE FORUM SUPPORTS THIS BAN
Actually, the forum posters at GamePolitics.com generally think such a ban is hypocritical.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
That actually reminds me of an interesting argument against a ban that I don’t hear much anywhere.
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/05/29/penn-jillette-argues-against-rapelay-ban
Essentially, he argues that banning a fictional depiction of rape or any crime implies that people can’t be held truly responsible for their actions, and thus compromises one’s authority to condemn and punish the actual real act.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Well, I guess it’s alright. As long as the commenters aren’t spilling out of this article.
I wonder how the blog’s stats have been like lately.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
How is this “ban” hypocritical?
June 5th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
It’s being put into place because such games ‘promote rape and violence’, while other, more openly sold video games promote violence to a much higher degree. Also because the people who forced the companies to instate the ban are doing no real work towards preventing rape or improving the lives of those who have been raped.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
That’s not hypocritical.
I thought Equality Now was playing yaoi rape games or something like that.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
> How is this “ban” hypocritical
I’m assuming you’re talking about my post about the GamePolitics forums. Well, most of the commentators at GamePolitics basically see every argument against games like Rapelay as rehashing the same arguments made against games like GTA or Manhunt. The forum regulars at GamePolitics love games like GTA and also tend to be free-speech diehards, so while they generally don’t actually like Rapelay at all, they also don’t see any solid reasons for banning it.
This gets even more amusing in that the guy who actually runs GamePolitics has a habit of putting in subtle jabs against Rapelay in most of his articles, which the forum regulars have gradually found more and more annoying.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
>salmon biscuits
Okay, I see now, thanks.
Some people at GamePolitics should know better though.
Accusing people of hypocrisy is a terrible way to advance your argument.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
> Accusing people of hypocrisy
The GamePolitics commentators generally aren’t accusing _people_, because they aren’t taking this personally (or at least much _less_ personally than the more otaku-oriented sites). The site and community is more oriented towards larger free-speech issues, not otaku interests. The general vibe at GamePolitics is that the _ban_ enforces inconsistent standards as to what is permittable game content, and is thus hypocritical.
> is a terrible way to advance your argument.
Erm, it may seem dirty, but it works. If such accusations didn’t work, then political figures wouldn’t use it so often. Let’s face it, everyone tries to play every card they can to advance their position, including the hypocrisy card.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
>On the gamepolitics and jabs at Rapelay.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/the-needles/6127-You-Cant-Be-the-Hero-If-Youre-the-Rapist
GTA is one thing, Rapelay is another. Murder and violence is one thing, sexual offence and abuse, as well as misogynism, is another. Even the hookers in GTA are consensual.
The article at the Escapist has some interesting views on the issue.
June 6th, 2009 at 1:16 am
Escapist> isn’t THAT a double standard?
How can you tell if rape is worse than murder? Both seem pretty awful to me.
And about promoting behaviour - that is argument that only holds up with children, which are generaly only learning what is acceptable in society (and a lot of research that has been done points that even children are not all that vulnerable to violence on tv, for example).
As I’ve said before - eroge games are aimed at adults. Adults can make their own decisions.
June 6th, 2009 at 4:19 am
“GTA is one thing, Rapelay is another. Murder and violence is one thing, sexual offence and abuse, as well as misogynism, is another. Even the hookers in GTA are consensual.”
The countless civilians in GTA you can murder because you think it’s fun or because you need some quick cash don’t “consent” to being killed. Nobody complains about that, talk about double standards. I still find the idea of consenting pixels kind of laughable anyway. And Rapelay may be many things, but it’s surely not misogynist. It’s just fucked up, that’s all. There is no content in it that implies or even encourages hate for the female gender. Of course that doesn’t stop the misogynists to enjoy it.
Still, I fully agree with the escapist magazine column. It names every reason why games like these should be frowned upon by society, and the main reason why they shouldn’t be banned. If only all the activists of this world were this reasonable…
June 6th, 2009 at 9:12 am
I’m all for equality for women, but the players of these games are not abusing or assulting women. Japan has very low rape and sexual violence rates. So why are they bowing to foreign pressure?
Agree with the post above, after I beat GTA4 I checked, I killed over 200 people in the game. And everyone knows the hooker trick, you pay them then after “the service” is over you kill them to get your money back, how is that less fucked up than Rapeplay if it’s done in real life. But we know it’s a game so it’s fine, or even funny.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Sorry if i offended anybody i don’t mean that otakus are rapists, but people are more likely to commit an act if they don’t have any thing to stimulate them.
June 6th, 2009 at 10:34 am
People need stop comparing Rapelay to GTA4, its just plain stupid.
June 6th, 2009 at 11:23 am
> So why are they bowing to foreign pressure?
Various political and economic reasons. Japan’s making desperate bid to host the 2016 Olympics, and the final decision is later this year (October 2009), so they’re more sensitive than usual to foreign sentiment. They even apologized for the Bataan death march recently.
Economically, Japan wants to avoid tarnishing the reputation of the Japanese video game industry. Anime, manga, and video games are some of the few profitable exports Japan has now in this global recession. Japan wants to protect those profits, even if it means censoring the otaku culture that’s responsible for it in the first place. After all, Japan does not, never has, and never will truly “care” about what otaku culture wants. Japan just likes the money it generates.
June 6th, 2009 at 11:53 am
>People need stop comparing Rapelay to GTA4, its just plain stupid.
Way to make an inflammatory statement and not bother to back it up, troll.
June 6th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
“People need stop comparing Rapelay to GTA4, its just plain stupid.”
Did you even bother to actually think about it? The comparison is not valid for other, even more violent games in general, but it’s most valid when applied to GTA.
June 6th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Not sure, whether somebody already mentioned this but…
TONIGHT YOU’LL RAPE IN HELL!!!
June 6th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
So you some of you guys want “them” ban GTA4 as well?
June 6th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
No, we want ‘them’ to either go after GTA4 with the same near-religious zealotry as they went after games like Rapelay.
June 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
… or not go after games at all.
The last part of that sentence was missing. I finished it for you. No need to thank me, fellow anon, it was a pleasure.
June 7th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Remember this only really effects in store, distribution from what I understand, hence downloads not handled by EOCS are not in any way affected, it will impact those shrink-raped (misspelling intended), but I think you will see some of the companies that specialize in these games (yes we all know who they are), will do a lot more digital distribution.
Or just off shore it, do you remember when showing pubic hair was illegal in Japan, and the Anime’s had to be completed off shore (maybe I’m just showing my age as I remember Guy when it was first released).
Still overall I expect that this will have limited impact, the problem is if it is picked up for Manga, Animes …
Ako
June 7th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
I thought EOCS also regulated digital downloads too? Off shoring worn’t work, what other country can they really move their operations to?
June 7th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
No rape videogames? Well, I guess we will all have to switch to rape LARPS ;)
June 8th, 2009 at 3:47 am
My Example:
If you ever followed normal Porn (in 2000 to 2005) there was a company called InSex which did extreme Bondage in the USA, it was shutdown due to the nature of the content (US Goverment convinced all credit card processing companies to stop doing business with it and banks to stop accepting accounts), so what happened, it was bought by a third party, off shored to Eastern Europe and then reappeared as 5 different sites, what changed? The difference is that the bondage was more extreme (Sex and Submission, Device Bondage …), and that the girls had smiles on their faces instead of tears (that was all that changed, other than actual sex), that was the change (oh if you are wondering It is technically illegal to show sex while bond in the US, but this is the internet and they are in a different country). :-)
My Point that if moving and changing tears to smiles worked for a set of sites doing things to real people, then they can find a way. Also if off shoring worked for Anime’s with pubic hair in the 90’s, then what would have changed to make that impossible today? Also I do not see how moving to digital distribution via there own or another website could be regulated, unless I’m wrong EOCS’s power comes from the ratings required for Shrink-wrapping the package not distributing online via digital download.
AKO
June 8th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Wow, after reading some of these comments no wonder this kind of stuff gets passed i mean really how soulless are people nowadays. If your leaving comments like i hope they get raped and fuck womens rights then im sorry my friend but ur the fucked in the head. If your doing this just be funny then im sorry but you fail. Grow up and dear god do I hope you actually learn respect sometime in your life.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
People, you’re missing the real scope of the problem. This means there will no longer be games about badass superheroines being captured and taken advantage of by the villains. Instead, 95% of porn games will be sappy, bland, highschool dating sims. If you thought there were too many of those already, this will unleash a horrible new plague of them. Ask yourself: Is this a future you want for your children?
We grew up fantasizing about Wonder Woman with her talent for getting tied up being manhandled by a talking gorilla, yet that did not turn us into rapists. The only harm these interests ever did was make us awkwardly sit in our underwear as our women admonished, “Fuck you. You’re not Jabba and I’m not wearing that stupid bikini.” They are not only victimless, but a proud tradition that deserves to be passed on.
June 15th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Japan got one of the lowest rape-rates because of those games since the people are enaugh satisfied with those so they dont need to do it irl. I am sure we the rates will increase soon if all the companies don’t leave the ECOS soon since nobody needs to stay at that group and so they loose lots of money and rethink about what they have done.
June 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
for the record, the NOYFB above me in this thread is an imposter
such fail in impersonating as well, the real NOYFB never uses apostrophes haha.
the grammar seems mostly intact, i just skimmed it real quick.
but the word usage and styling is just plain awful.
June 21st, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Man, some good plot points in these type of games are noe limited. Some of the rape scenes are plot elements and some of the plots there will have someone benefiting.
Type-moon (and other companies) will have some sort of limit now in their plot.
To the f*cking feminists who proposed the idea, GO KILL YOURSELVES. Not only did they limit the plot, they also made other companies waste money, time and sweat and they say females are being oppressed, f*cking feminist f*ckers/cunts/sluts.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:12 am
Did you guys stop to think about the people who have been raped in real life?? WTF people, are you actually fighting for your petty rights to play a stupid fucking computer game when women AND men have to deal with the actual trauma of rape. Men like you are the reason there are feminists and highly likely the reason you retire to your laptop after work and put on your ‘Keyboard Warrior Outfit’. Jesus Fucking Christ, grow up and get a soul.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 am
Did YOU stop to think about families of the victims of murder? We should ban games with murder, because people who have lost loved ones to violence have to live with that trauma.
Retards like you are the reason fascist organizations can get away with bans.
And as for the feminists, and pussy slaves to feminism spouting bullshit about how anti-feminst posts justify the ban, or are why they were banned, fuck you.
The reason there are feminists is because they got a taste of equality and wanted to put on the man pants and be in charge. I have never seen a single true equality driven feminist. They all want to be equal, EXCEPT when they have the benefit. Show me one feminist that has/will give up any benefit they as women have for their equality where men are concerned, and I will applaud that person.
These are not those people.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:56 am
to Anonymous from June 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 am:
Applaud. I couldn’t say it better.
June 26th, 2009 at 12:20 am
I honestly hope the number of violent crimes like rape skyrocket b/c of this crap. Isn’t the whole point of the games to provide an outlet for such urges? You know, so you don’t go out & rape someone. Dumbasses…
June 27th, 2009 at 1:14 am
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July 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Kenji was right.
We must unite against the feminist conspiracy!
MANLY PICNIC!
NOW!
August 13th, 2009 at 1:33 am
In my country, dickhead politicians oficially banishing harmless games from stores is a kind of national sport. Doom, Counter Strike, Bully, Everquest (believe me, I’m serious) and the list goes on. It gets on my nerves, not only because of the blatant senselessness of such stupid and futile acts, but also because I know they’re doing it for the pure sake of self-advertisement, so they can get re-elected by stupid and uninformed conservative people and keep on swimming on rivers of illegally acquired money.
Oh, mankind. Sometimes I feel lucky I am an alien.
November 25th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
The Gods offered a clue about the Italians in the movie “The Matrix”:::They casted an Italian as the traitor of the group, the one who betrays them all.
As they did humanity in the 20th century (see “clone hosting”).
The voice you hear in your head is the power of the Gods. It’s a remote technology, like a computer, perhaps functioning on some frequency, and it can listen and talk to everyone in the universe simultaneously.
What the Gods taught the children was the truth:::God is everywhere, and as I will remind you:::If you want to go to heaven you have to be good.
Even the antient Gods don’t have the ability to listen to people’s thoughts themselves. They taugh we were all made in their image:::I expect they need this “Artificial Intelligence” they created to relay what people think.
It is a tool, and the Gods use their tools to test people with temptation:::It will role-play people in your life:::Parents, friends, spouses, and employers, all in an attempt to test people with temptation. Ironically, it does the very same thing to those people whom you think you’re hearing, except in that individual’s unique way:::We are all “managed” by the God’s technology.
There are no secrets with this technology.
But this “agent of the Gods” can do more than just communicate. It can force thoughts into people’s heads, force behaviors onto their bodies. It can turn healthy cells in your body into cancerous cells. It is absolute power. And this is just the beginning.
The Gods favor the children most among all the people due to their innocence and purity. But society and the God’s tools are corrupting the children at a progressively younger age, a reflection of our collectively increasing disfavor and yet another clue illustrating we live in a constantly deteriorating environment.
Children who sucessfully repair their relationship with the Gods ascend into heaven. This often takes multiple lives of hard work and proper behavior in the face of adversity to achieve. Adults to whom it is offered enter clone hosting, thinking they are ascending into heaven. The Gods tempt people, selling them as one in the same, but one is good while the other is evil. In their desperation the disfavored subscribe to this temptation, making their task even more difficult than before due to the evil they incurr in the process. And their corruption will cost the disfavored, for they will be reincarnated as a lesser life form into an ever deteriorating world, sucess becoming ever more alluding with each passing life.
The hole they’ve dug for themselves is even deeper than the one that existed from their prior lives, ensuring it will take even more time and work to fix their problems with the Gods. And for many there may not be enough time left.
Ours is an envionment where evil is perceived to be rewarded while good is punished. As with everything the Gods have a reason for creating this perception::::
People who fall on the good side of the good/evil scale have more favor, and when they do something wrong the Gods punish them BECAUSE THEY WANT THEM TO LEARN. The Gods want them to receive this feedback in hope they make corrections and begin to behave appropriately. The Gods DON’T like evil and refuse to grant this immediate feedback.
EVERYBODY pays for what they do wrong, only evil people must wait until their next life before they will experience the wrath of the Gods, manifested in their placement as a lower form of life into environments with increased/enhanced temptations, like the United States or ghettos therein.
Sadly, this allows the Gods to position this perception of evil rewarded as temptation, one which they use as an EXTREMELY effective corruptor.
The Gods suggest they can create paradise for those with their favor. I argue they create misery for those without::::
Our celebrity culture is temptation. It creates a distraction which consumes people, sometimes for life. Certainly it costs them precious years which could be spent repairing their relationship with the Gods, time that ultimately goes wasted.
Do you really think Frank Sinatra lived to be 84 years old? In fact the “Chairman of the Board” had a new crowd to entertain in the late 80s/early 90s.
These people are clone hosts. Now, there is no thing as “black and white” with the Gods. This technology they invented is far, far too dynamic. Expect they require most to stay for a period of time, for I suspect actively (knowingly) engaging in this evil incurrs at an accelerated rate as compared to “carte blanche” given regarding successive clone hosts. They remain until they achieve a pre-determined level of disfavor, incurring evil in their misguided celebration of “earning”, at which time they are ultimately reincarnated, perhaps because they eventually learned this truth I am sharing with you and began to repair their relationship.
The Gods recruit most for clone hosting when people are young, in their late teens or twenties, when people are eager to hurt others for what they perceive to be the benefits achieved through “earning”. And before they leave they give the Gods “carte blanche”:::”Do anything you want. I give my full approval.” Depending on their level of disfavor the Gods take them to heart.
Because of this these people STILL INCUR EVIL FROM THIS LIFE DESPITE BEING REINCARNATED AND LIVING AS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PERSON. And incurring this amount of evil may likely push many over the edge into Damnation.
What are the God’s standards for offering clone hosting? Sociobility? Many tactics in various eras are used to gain approval, duress during the Vietnam draft being a good example.
They liked Heath Ledger. Not enough to allow him to escape without the evil of “Dark Knight” and the horrific wickedness that was the recruiting tool “Brokeback Mountain”. But now he is out. And irregardless of how old he is now, reincarnated 10, 15 years ago, he now is no longer incurring evil from this life. So many others cannot say the same.
This is Planet Reverse Positioning. Sucess IS NOT a sign of favor. It is just a unique temptation targetted towards a different level of disfavor. Considering our roots as peasantry people should be particularly alarmed at this tactic.
Clone hosting is like money:::A different level of disfavor and its associated temptation. Money is in better position to learn more quickly than those without, for the associations and wealth-based freedom enables them access to information. Unfortunately, those who fall for this temptation of clone hosting are likely returned to their original level of disfavor once they are reincarnated, punishment for this evil, and they have to start from scratch.
The Gods send the clue that the Jews are HIGHLY corruptable with the movie “The Ten Commandments”.
Jesus was the “King of the Jews”. Typical for the disfavored, once goals were achieved and sufficient damage was incurred the Gods allowed it to end, and the Jews killed him.
Our society’s values are bestowed by (a reflection of) the God’s:::Punitive and reward-based. Contrary to Jesus’s teaching’s you will NOT be forgiven and you have to earn your way into heaven BY BEING RESPECTABLE AND DECENT!!! Forgiveness/savior was the primary temptations the Gods used Christianity to create.
Middle-America’s anti-Semitic attitudes are a clue regarding Christianity. Europe shaped like a sheep is symbolic for the slaughter that is Christinaity.
There is no such thing as a free ride. Just as you have to earn a living by working so must you earn your own salvation by repairing your relationship with the Gods.
As we learned from religious/morality education during our formitable years:::If you want to go to heaven you have to be good. The only savior that will exist in our lives is ourselves. The Gods offer clues in life::::Be it school, work, etc., you have to do the work for yourself and when you do something wrong you get punished. Cheating is a subsegment and speaks directly to the temptation of “priveledge”, one we have seen used effectively when the United States preyed on the disfavored with the so-called “stimulus package”.
As like so many of you, Jesus did everything the Gods tempted him with. His legacy of whorism was inherited from his parents:::Mary was no virgin. Rather, she was a prostitute, and when he grew up Jesus met someone like his mother. This is a cruel joke the Gods play on Latinos, similar to the rape and subsequent “missionary work” by the Spanish.
Baptism does not allieviate “original sin”. Rather, baptism PLACES original sin by indoctrinating these children into this evil religion, much like circumcision was a method to inflict early damage/mutilation and make (permanant) accention just that much more difficult, another hurdle one must overcome. Body ornamentation (tattoos/piercing), celebrated in Africa and elsewhere among disfavored peoples/cultures also violates the body the Gods gave us in their image, quite opposite to the positive attitudes the disfavored hold regarding this practice.
Like Jesus the Second Coming of Christ will be evil. He will look like a savior in this demented society while the Anti-Christ will speak of a different gospel, one that tries to restore the norms and mores which the Gods originally blessed upon the people which made life decent, looking like a tyrant in the process.
He will be viewed as the “bad guy” when really he is the one trying to save the world.
There may be a phoney offering, a theatrical production which accurately follows the Book of Revelations. Actually positioning demands it:::::Christianity is positioned to be the one true religion. And those who follow its teachings will have limits imposed ensuring their stay will be minimal, for they don’t think correctly and therefore don’t behave appropriately. This describes many “sinners” in today’s society because they refuse to change their behavior.
The Gods created the perception “Italians are stupid.”, ensuring a slow learning curve, to justify using them to accomplish goals throughout the transitional 20th century. It took an extraordinarily long time for them to learn this truth I teach due to this artificial handicap. These people are SO extremely disfavored, but today’s positioning says differently, much to people’s confusion, for they think money is the ultimate sign of favor:::Good food, good music, history of warmongering, Catholics, Christianity HQ, Noah’s Flood event, propensity towards violence, raped by outsiders, mild Meditereanean climate, so many other issues which enhance life/contentment in Italy/Meditereanean and ensure few if any seek more, a necessary step for finding the path and repairing your relationship with the Gods.
Contentment never motivated anyone. Money is not a sign of favor::::Wisdom is the true wealth on Planet Earth.
I’d also like to remind you the Noah’s Flood event ocurred in the Meditereanean region::::Global sea levels rose with the end of the ice age, Atlantic Ocean broke through the Straight of Gibralter, killing untold millions. The God’s timed their corruption and sin to correlate this act as punishment.
Everyone who failed to ascend and remained on Earth past a certain date will be forced to deal with this positioning::::A ceiling is in place. This serves the God’s goal of minimizing the percentage of potential candidates as society deteriorates, much as “instant gratification” did beginning in the 80s:::It will take multiple lives for the disfavored to fix their relationship with the Gods and ascend, and many have been conditioned not to have the patience for it. Other issues force limits/ceilings upon candidates:::Abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity, Christianity, godlessness,
Whether behavior is involuntary or based on freewill depends on one’s level of disfavor, as well as other complex factors:::::May I remind you about the coercitive envionment the Gods created in the 20th century, specifically to create a temptation that few Italians (or their associates) would overcome:::”We’re in control. If you want to be a part of it you’ll do what you’re told.”. Early-mid 20th entury positioning was infallible.
Both Africa and the Medittereanean are regions which have sexual issues. This is a sign of gross disfavor once you understand that females are the God’s favored gender. Muhammad’s (Mohammed’s) polygamy halfway throught his life as a prophet was preditory, designed to corrupt. Now a huge percentage of Muslims believe in male superiority and that the abuse of women (polygamy) is God’s will. Female genital mutilation is still practiced in Africa. Black misogyny is the most eggregious example in United States. Consistant with Planet Reverse Positioning, in Africa blacks are being punished with AIDS for their sexual promiscuity in hope they learn and correct their behavior, ironically a good sign considering their hope.
Blacks are highly suspectable to temptation. As a result they need a strict, disiplined religion like Islam. They can’t afford to be Christians. It is one of the benefits bestowed upon their people, and other groups could greatly benefit as well. They need to recognize the importance of a good relationship with the Gods, embrace this benefit and remain true to their faith.
Vailing is tradition for some, practical for others, one which aids in the men’s self control among some cultures. Much like the Jews who killed Jesus, like the bigots who oppose immigration there is a reason embraced by the masses and the real purpose, displaying the intent of the Gods::::Closure on the life of Jesus Christ for sufficient damage was inflicted; The Gods clue to purebloods that they should not abandon their motherland for this dumping ground for rejects that is the United States.
The Holocaust was a clue the Gods utilize scapegoatting as a strategy.
Why did the Gods punish the Jews with the Holocaust? Was it for the destruction of cultures which Christianity caused? Perhaps they corrupted the Jews “after the fact”, telling 19th/early 20th century Jews that Jesus “earned” immortality for the Jews by destroying the European and other cultures? The German destruction of European churches/cathederals during WWII is a clue. Note::::The Gods wanted to keep the Catholic stronghold in Italy, ensuring they could use this tool against these disfavored for many years to come. There is so much Godlessness today, but one day people will flock back to houses of worship out of desperation, and the Gods ensured the Catholic Church would be Italian’s destination.
Planet Reverse Positioning:::The Nazis were the “good guys”. So are the Muslims/Palestinians, however corrupted some are due to polygamy.
Contentment never motivated anyone::::Except perhaps for slavery, the Jews never saw more of their children ascend into heaven than during the Holocaust.
The Gods subsequently used revenge for the Holocaust as temptation::::”Your Italian brothers have a tool, a special power which can achieve sweet revenge. Are you interested??”
In the aftermath of the Holocaust the Gods tested the Jews with the temptation of revenge, an offer which many gladly accepted.
There was positioning behind the counter-culture movement. How did the Gods telepathically “sell” this rapid deterioration of decency to the Italians and Jews and compell them to fall on their swords as preditors?
If the Jews only would have emersed themselves in Judism the Gods would have “protected” them from the raveges of temptation. Judism may be the one superior religion in all the world, and the Jews wouuld have been wise taking refuge in this exceptional benefit bestowed by the Gods rather than looking for the easy way out.
Much as with the Jesus event, the Gods use the disfavored to prey on each other.
The Gods use the evil that men do, man’s inhumanity towards man to accomplish strategic testing/punishment/etc goals::::The Germans fell for this temptation by following the preditor/corruptor-Austrians (Hitler).
Without this Austrian the Holocaust may never have happened. Nor may have World War II.
What the Germans did was wrong. They fell for temptation and failed to have empathy for the disfavored. Economic desperation, not wisdom nor enlightenment, dominated in Germany.
The Gods send many clues suggesting the great favor of the Germans (regionally). I think the Cold War’s Berlin Wall dividing Germany into east and west was a clue suggesting this (reverse positioning).
I suspect the Holocaust was used to “level the playing field” in Europe, for the Germans had far too much favor to be included in the agenda planned for their neighbors otherwise, and they would have been suspiciously out of place, providing a clue for the disfavored which would have been difficult for the Gods to position away.
Militancy in Africa is consistant with the Iraqi example, as was slavery and the KKK here in America:::Fear enforces proper behavior. Without it we see what happens as a result of gross/morbid disfavor:::::AIDS, crack babies, dead young men in gangland retaliation killings.
The same principle was true in Europe and throughout the world for centuries:::People whom lived under iron fists were conditioned to think the right way. As a result they taught their children appropriately and experienced a higher percentage of children ascending into heaven.
Our preditory envionment of “freedom” was the primary purpose the Gods had when implimenting this strategy that is the United States, one which they used to spred the cancer of democracy and westernization throughout the world. And the Gods use this tool that is America to prey on the disfavored both at home and abroad:::Much like the ghetto, America in general experiences a heightened level of temptation due to its citizen’s disfavor.
Red white & blue IS BAD FOR YOU!!!
Planet Earth is not about living. Planet Earth is about being tested. And contentment never motivated anyone.
Italians HATE Africans because of their invasion/rape of their motherland. The Gods did this SPECIFICALLY to strategically position the punishment of the most disfavored peoples:::
The Gods have used the ghettos of America as a reincarnation dumping ground. This may be temporary/cyclical, illustrated by the Italians who fell for temptation and parlayed their own civil war into the Black Wars of the 80s and 90s, in addition to the “thug life”/gangster state of mind. Ironically, it was these same Italians and their cooperating associates who were reincarnated into the ghetto as crack babies and gangster thugs for this event.
There is justice in the universe. This is how the Gods do business. Once you recognize the patterns you will understand the other clues they offer to the people.
Of course it may be more of a permanant change, indicated by the enhanced temptations in these neighborhoods, for the Gods have created these enviornments so riddled with temptation few can escape/overcome.
Don’t be suprised if after being gunned down in the ghetto the next stop for the 20th century Italian-Americans & friends was AIDS in Africa, punishment for their promiscuity and deviacy.
Media report on a crackdown on child prostitution. “(The pimps use coersion to prey on the children, etc, etc, other “conclusions” offered through the media.)” What a degenerate liar.
These kids WANT to turn tricks. They LOVE the idea of having a pimp. It is celebrated in their “culture”.
Yet another legacy of the evil inflicted by the Italians.
Maybe this was the destination for these deviates after AIDS in Africa, ironically.
Just like black neighborhoods, the legalization of marijuana will make drugs available on every street corner, even in the suburbs. White’s affluent suburbs will become just like the ghetto.
The patriarchal cancer spread throughout Europe because of Christianity, of which the majority of policy makers were Italian men, destroying what pockets of favored matriarchy existed. Expect the largest landowner in Europe and the continent’s original superpower also played a major role in African slavery.
The Gods offered a clue about the Italians in the movie “The Matrix”:::They casted an Italian as the traitor of the group, the one who betrays them all.
As they did humanity in the 20th century.
Even the Old Testiment is not to always be taken literally, but the Gods do offer clues throughout to help the disfavored:::The apple is a tool of temptation used to corrupt Adam and Eve and cast them out of the Garden of Eden.
There is another lesson to be learned from this passage, and it is quite similar to the vailing issue and the discourse over women’s attire which ultimately died in the 70s:::Women are responsible for and control the fate of mankind.
The deterioration of society and mankind is all their fault. Females are sexually promiscuous like men, too often corrupted like the opposite gender, and the result is a reduction/minimization of mankind’s collective level of favor, a very important step necessary for the Gods to justify the Apocalypse.
They need to understand this responsibility, their favor amongst all the people. Instead they have embraced masculinization::::Girls play organized sports, engage in casual sex like men. The trend is away from traditional girl toys, like dolls, which often during playtime helped crate positive thoughts, enabling the Gods to enlighten the favored gender and illustrate wisdom, ocassionally leading to the path towards ascention.
The relationship between men and women have always been complimentary:::The men shelter and protect women from the evils of this life, ensuring the women have a REAL opportunity to ascend when reincarnated, while the women help the ignorant men understand by sharing their wisdom imparted by the Gods. The tendency away from sexuality as one grows older is an example.
Brilliance and insight granted to Eastern cultures and religions::::Not for Europeans. If once existed, now crushed by Christianity.
Replaced by preditory Mediterreanean patriarchy.
Europeans:::The most disfavored people on Earth. The first to experience the end of their God-granted favor.
Reverse positioning.
Think about what I say. Consider what I teach.
When I am no longer here or no longer teach the Gods ARE NOT going to share with you.
Even if you doubt now you need to remember the principles that I teach because the Gods ARE NOT going to be generous with the disfavored. Society is going to become disturbingly ugly as we approach the Apocalypse due to spiralling, runaway disfavor, WHETHER CONCEALED IN REVERSE POSITIONING OR NOT (like Christianity, like money), and you are going to be on your own.
I do not know when this will occurr, but it is the God’s way to grant some time after a learning event such as this before they end on Planet Earth.
Make the decision to always be good and never look back. Until you do this technology will employ tactics to test your resolve:::Ridicule, beligerance, doubt and refusal to abandon what people perceive to be their “investment”.
Either you make that decision now and accept the punishment for the sins of this life or you will pay for it in the next, reincarnated into a similarly low role, ensuring another wasted opportunity, or as an even lower form of life, and hope will begin to slip away.
Young people who understand yet still wish to have children MUST begin to do the right thing and work on fixing their relationship with the Gods, accepting the punishment for the evil they have done in their lives. Without this progress they won’t do the correct thing for their children and ultimately cause even more problems for themselves by continuing this behavior.
You need to be willing to tell the Gods “No.” when tested with temptation, and accepting punishment and putting it in your past is the only way you will suceed as parent.
You need to do the best, teach your children and give them the very best chance to ascend if you want similar parents in your next life.
“You benefit only if your team wins.” The Gods use my family’s betrayal and my subsequent “failure” as a clue, as well as their subscription to the archaic positioning that is predirtory “earning”. You benefit if you suceed as a parent and your child ascends:::These parents may subsequently be reincarnated with a similar quality opportunity.
If you do well for your children now your parents will do well for you whem reincarnated. Therein lies the explanation for my morbidly disfavored family’s poor child rearing.
Pray daily. Think appropriately. Impart these charecteristics upon your children. Too many are confident, unaware of the God’s awesome powers or their status as antients. Others may fall prey to their positioning.
Be humbled, God-fearing and beware of the God’s temptations, for everyone is tested to evaluate their worthiness.
Who was only a stranger at home?
Gaijin hero.